Welcome to CareerXroads Uncorked a series of member chats inspired by good drinks and current talent acquisition trends, your hosts Chris Hoyt and Gerry Crispin and break down today’s recruiting headlines while reviewing a select beverage of choice with industry leaders and influencers, join us for a drink in conversation.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 0:24
Let’s do a quick round of introductions if you’re listening to the show. Hi, I’m Chris. I’m the host. And we’ve got Gerry Crispin over here. What did you do? You’re not a co host, what would you be? Would you just be the godfather of funk on the on the podcast?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 0:40
Well, pretty soon I’ll be Santa Claus. But we’re good.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 0:45
That’s okay, that’s back to the burn. And then Loren, what? Why don’t you? Why don’t give us an introduction of yourself and what I’m what what you’re up to lately?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 0:55
Sure. Happy to. So hello, everyone who’s joining and of course, Hello, Chris and Gerry. Good to be here. So my name is Loren Bunche. And I recently joined the Endeavour company happy to share what that is as their SVP of global recruiting. based here in New York.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 1:21
If there was ever a house of brands, it’s it’s gotta be Endeavour. Oh, yeah. Yeah, quite a few How do you know how many how many brands like total yet? I know you’re you’re bright your shiny penny over there. You principally counted

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 1:34
I think seven or eight. Man? Yeah, I

Chris Hoyt, CXR 1:37
Got a quite a lot going on and one of them so do I know this? Right. One of them’s the cage fighting folks. The UFC got some UFC

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 1:45
Yep. UFC which is based out of Las Vegas.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 1:49
Yeah, I think that’s great. Get in here. fill out that application and Loren, what, what are we drinking today on the Uncorked?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 2:00
Yes, so actually have to uncork mine because I was literally in typical recruiter fashion, running from writing a weekly update to T minutes. T minus two minutes to start. So what we’re drinking today is a Joseph Phelps Pinot Noir. This is one of my favorites. I have many and Gerry I’m assuming you know this one am I correct.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 2:29
Easily we got I think Gerry is on a little bit of a delay. He’s in a he’s in a different location today.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 2:33
So to get Joseph Phelps Cabernet couldn’t find the Pinot Noir.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 2:38
I managed to almost have a disaster but I did manage to save it. So I’m excited about it. I am uncorked now and ready to pour but Gerry I have a fancy glass that that I will be drinking from this is this was a gift from from Gerry Last Christmas I think so yeah, it’s a it’s a beautiful it’s an empty but it is a beautiful glass.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 3:08
A cab is my favorite in the winter month.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 3:12
Yeah, I do. Let you know I will tell you I have started drinking more Pinots. Trevor Voss, who is a friend of ours in Australia, who you may know from the Australasian events that he has done or he’s got a great newsletter that they put out pretty frequently. Really nice guy. I was just talking to him the other day and email back and forth and we used to both be big cab drinkers, but now

Gerry Crispin, CXR 3:36
we’re both drinking Pinots. Yeah, and whether Yeah,

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 3:42
I followed that trend, but it’s been a couple couple years. I love cabs and I love pinots, but pinots are just lighter, of course.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 3:52
Oh yeah. Cabs used to be the only way I would go straight shooter, but now I am a Pinot guy.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 3:58
Let me throw another one at ya, which is hard to find. But the Joseph Phelps serraj. Hmm. All right. When they release it, they don’t release a lot of it. And my husband’s in charge of keeping track of when it comes out and ordering some. And I’ll just say that we don’t have any in the house. And it’s not because we drink it. So.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 4:19
Oh, all right. In demand. Is that what’s going on?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 4:23
Well, I don’t know if he’s doing his job.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 4:28
Well, initially, I thought you were gonna tie it to somehow it says employment on some level because you were like, in charge of and I’m like, Oh, do we have a wine guy someone to contact?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 4:39
No, but he works for workday. So I guess that’s relevant.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 4:43
Okay.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 4:49
What’s yours?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 4:50
Well, cheers. Cheers to you. So while we consume this wonderful, wonderful beverage of the gods Loren what have you been up to? I know you’re starting a new gig, what’s new for you? What’s been going on?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 5:04
Yeah, sad the last couple of weeks. I just started this job at the end of June. So it’s, that’s really where my focus has been these last couple of weeks. And I’m just really excited about gets me back into the media and entertainment space. From every single aspect. When you think about life’s experiences, this company puts on events like the Super Bowl. And just, you know, you think about life, you think about the experiences, and you know, what sorts of things I love, which is media, entertainment, music, you name it, it’s, it’s really just such a great fit for me. So I’m excited to be there and excited to be bringing others into this fantastic company. So, but not to that.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 6:05
We met you you were at a time where your Time Warner.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 6:09
Yep.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 6:09
Yeah, your time when we met you. Yeah.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 6:12
Time Warner, I spent 17 years there. So I really, I grew up there. And after I left actually got into the tech space for about four years, which was awesome. I learned so much. It was really fun to do something new and totally outside of what I had been doing for so long. And I think it really rounded out. Just me as a recruiting leader, so really grateful for all the experience that I’ve gotten along the way.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 6:47
It is wonderful. Is there. Is there a particular event that you are going to have have to crash or attend part of your onboarding?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 6:58
I don’t know yet. Right now it’s people’s offices.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 7:05
Back to the workplace. Is that a hybrid? Oh, yeah how does it work?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 7:09
Yeah, this week, this week, I was in Monday through Thursday, and I worked from home today. And for me, first week, it was really tough. Get back on the train, get back on a you know, schedule, get back to real clothes, and try to make that all work. And the first week I just I felt kinda like a mess. Just getting myself back to it. And you know, it, it all came together. I think by the second week, I remembered what it what it was like to run to the train at 7:30 in the morning and just make it

Chris Hoyt, CXR 7:54
Yeah, hoping the Wi Fi on the train works.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 7:56
Yeah. So it’s, it’s been really good. And what also is very apparent just a couple weeks in is how much easier it is for me personally, to meet people and build relationships in the office. There’s the hallway conversations, there’s the poppins. It just it’s made, it’s made it so much easier. And I don’t know about others, but for me through, you know, working just at home on the screen, through the pandemic. You know, I can’t see anything anymore. I definitely need glasses. I need to get into that. Getting myself off the screen I think is is a good thing for me personally

Chris Hoyt, CXR 8:41
It’s not our age. It’s that’s not why we need glasses.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 8:43
No, I know. It’s not that at all. Yeah.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 8:48
You know, it’s funny.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 8:50
Where are you commuting from?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 8:51
Westchester. That’s about 35-40 minutes.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 8:56
It had not occurred to me the like getting back into the office and the normalcy of people popping in and seeing everybody and getting dressed. But what I had not considered because I’ve been remote, fully remote for almost seven years and then sort of partially remote for five years prior to that. It’s it had not occurred to me the the commute. Like the sort of the getting your body used to that commute again, the Unwind time because I remember when early when that kicked in, a lot of people were complaining they lost their commute time and that was their unwind. That was the buffer between home yes at work to get your get your game face on, and then put your game face away right to unwind on the way back. So a little bit of an adjustment.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 9:39
It’s so true. And meeting this week and the woman I was meeting with we’re talking about this. You sort of feel like a hero when you arrive because you’ve already blown blown through all of these emails and you’ve done all this work on the train and you get there and you’re sort of ready to sit down and start your day and even this morning If I didn’t have that time, and so it was like a scramble today. And so that train time is really invaluable. And then just as you said, on the way home, same thing, get through all my emails all at once. So I get home, can relax a little bit, make some dinner, walk the dogs, it’s actually been great for me to have a little bit more of that.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 10:26
I am interested to hear how your how your how you feel your productivity goes? Because if you’ve got if you’ve got like a 30 minute 40 minute, are you giving that up? Or you know, from from your commute time was work time at home before? Are you giving up? Or are you one of those people that that is more helpful for you to just be crushing it on the train or in the car or headspace for you?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 10:54
Yeah. And the big difference for me personally, just in a couple of weeks has been all the people I can grab for five minutes. I don’t need a 30 minute video meeting. I need five minutes for question or to get you know, get something out or get something asked. My days are much more efficient, even though I’m adding back in a commute.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 11:17
Yeah, are you it’s your budget gonna take a hit because you gotta you gotta buy clothes and have to go to the office. Right?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 11:25
Well, that was inevitable.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 11:30
You know, I like I’m a shoe guy. And one of the things I do kind of miss about the offices putting on cool shoes all the time. And it’s a different kind of, I got a lot of shoes, I think maybe even for dude. So it’s, it’s kind of an interesting thing. Whereas like, right now, I’m in flip flops. And I just wear flip flops every day. I put on shoes the other day to go to dinner. And I was like, Oh, these don’t feel very good. They should. My toes feel claustrophobic now.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 11:55
Yeah, but here’s the other thing. And I noticed that this just by being back in the city, you of course observe what people are wearing. And dress has just totally changed. You don’t see any suits, you might see a blazer, most of the shoes that I see are nice leather sneakers, nice, comfortable shoes. You do not see heels. You see a lot of sneakers.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 12:22
Oh, no wear heels going away?

Yes. They are gone Chris.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 12:27
Oh.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 12:30
That’s how far removed I am. In the country.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 12:32
Maybe for special events? And maybe if you have a driving commute, but if you’re walking around New York, you don’t see any heels?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 12:42
Well, so let me ask you, outside of the fashion, outside of the fashion selections, is there anything you think you’re going to try to tackle first? I mean, obviously, you’re going to have a ramp up period, you’re gonna have to, you know, get get acclimated to the culture there. But can you think of anything you think you read like you’ve got on the agenda you really want to hit first yet?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 13:02
Oh, yeah, I’ve six things. So I sent this out two weeks ago. So it’s meeting the team and meeting partners peers, spending time as a group and one on one with everyone that I’m going to work with. Number two, and these are in no particular order. But number two, meeting as many clients and business leaders as I can. Sooner is better than later. Because we can create our strategy based on what we learned from the business. So that’s going to be really important. Getting my arms around the data, the numbers operationally, where are we and looking at process which we’ve already started looking at systems and how we leverage our systems and how everybody on the team leverages the system. So that’ll be a big thing. How we integrate diversity through every step of the way, in our recruiting process, but just in what we do as as a global team. What am I missing? That’s 1-2-3-4. We have a number of open roles on the team. So getting us to full staff, I’ve got a team in total, probably close to 45. So we’ve got we’ve got a handful of openings that we’ve yet to to get through.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 14:27
Okay, missing, those will appear on CXR.works/jobs soon, so recruiting jobs will show up there, we’ll see that Yeah, but so I sort of made the comment earlier, you’re no stranger to it, that struggle of a house of brands and a branded house. Are you gonna Are you anticipating sort of the same challenge there because you’re no stranger to that either big brands, a lots of, you know, jv’s or partly these different partnerships, that kind of thing. Do you anticipate that as The recruiting team structured that way by brand. How does it work there?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 15:03
Yes. So we’re aligned by business. And so that that’s one of my early goals, which is how we interconnect as a team. Because if you’re aligned to your business leader, and your HR partners, how do you then connect across the team? And if you’re working on marketing over here, and your peer group is working on marketing over here, how do I make sure that you have the tools that you need to share the leads and create an experience?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 15:36
Interesting and a team of roughly 50 That’s, that’s going to be no small task initially.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 15:41
Nope.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 15:43
Very cool. How’s it?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 15:45
How’s your wine going?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 15:46
That’s exciting.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 15:48
I get talking and I forget it’s here, which I need to bring back into my life. Yeah,

Chris Hoyt, CXR 15:57
well, you know what we’ve got Jared that were laughing about this the other day. What we’ve noticed is when you’re gonna go into a restaurant, if you haven’t already, and you’re gonna get a wine poured and you’re gonna look at it and be like, is the server mad at me? Like what what why are they fill in the glass up? You getting a real pour, but you’ve been at home doing these COVID pours, years where it’s like, you know, I sat down on the couch the other day, and I think I had a wine and it was up to here my partner, she looked at me because what a poor and I said, it’s just saved me a trip, so I don’t have to get up.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 16:30
Wow.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 16:32
I think she was more mad I didn’t fill hers up as much as mine.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 16:35
You sound like my my better half here. those are his pours. He says the same thing. I don’t have to get back up if it’s that high. But it’s supposed to breathe. I mean, very, you’re the wine expert. What do you think? What’s the right size pour?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 16:51
It shouldn’t be more than four or five ounces. It really shouldn’t. And yes, it’s easy to especially if you’ve got a bigger glass, it’s easy to go oh, you know, halfway up. So what is my key here is to keep the bottle nearby.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 17:06
Gerry always has a solution.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 17:14
What if my glass is bigger? Is it a ratio to the glass? Or is it truly just so many ounces? Couldn’t I just get one of those big glasses and fill that up? Because she’s got to breathe?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 17:27
Surface area

Chris Hoyt, CXR 17:31
Wine people everywhere just dying.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 17:33
So Chris, what he’s basically saying is you’re doing it wrong.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 17:38
I don’t know feels pretty right.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 17:45
Yeah, feels just fine. You do you? Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So um, so you asked what else I’ve I’ve been up to. We went to our first actually two concerts one smaller and one large works be Kenny Chesney. Nashville.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 18:04
Kenny Chesney, nice?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 18:06
When was that? Oh my gosh, time still run together.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 18:12
What was it when I called you I was in Southern California. And I remember, this is gonna sound terrible. I remember sitting poolside and I actually had a whiskey. And I rang you up and we were talking about a project that we were going to..make right now.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 18:29
That was the brothers Osbourne show. Okay, I knew I remember there was something that was at our local theater. And I mean, it wasn’t that small. It was just local. And we traveled for the other one, but they were amazing.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 18:41
And your big live music fan? Yes. So we’re gonna pull you into Austin then soon, right?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 18:47
Yes, I need to get there.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 18:49
For sure. Austin is the new CareerXroads headquarters.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 18:53
I don’t want to say this too loudly because I don’t want to ruin my chances. But for those who are on the Ticketmaster verified mailing list, Bruce Springsteen has just announced his tour for 2023.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 19:05
I’d like to see the boss I have never seen Springsteen in concert. Have you?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 19:12
No, but I’ve been waiting. You’ve seen him Gerry?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 19:17
I saw him down in Atlantic City. Very cool. Very cool. Yeah,

Chris Hoyt, CXR 19:23
let’s see. Last cons. Okay, so your last concert was Kenny Chesney? Yep. Let’s see last concert. My last concert would have been Camp. At the start, I think it’s called Stubbs the barbecue. It’s like a barbecue concert venue. I think here in downtown Austin. Cool.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 19:42
We use Stubs for a barbecue. There.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 19:45
I think it’s I think that’s right. I’m gonna get crucified by Austinites but yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s right. And then Gerry, what about you? What is your what’s your last live concert?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 19:55
Oh, my God. I mean,

Chris Hoyt, CXR 19:57
Burn doesn’t count nothing that the burn counts.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 20:00
I didn’t go to many of the concerts of the burn that crazy. So, and they lasted until 7 in the morning. I think of my first concert in Brooklyn. And the headliner was named Jackie Wilson. And the and the opening act was little Stevie Wonder, wow. 11 years 11 years old, singing fingertips and it just blew the audience away. And I wasn’t a hell of a lot older than he was at the time. So, you know, it was it was pretty cool.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 20:45
Man. That’s a really good one. But

Gerry Crispin, CXR 20:49
I really got at this point. No, no that it’s a little bit too much for me. So

Chris Hoyt, CXR 20:54
here’s my challenge. With you, Gerry. I need a chair at a concert. I am of a certain age. I do not need to be standing the whole time anymore. Especially because the main act doesn’t come out too well after like 10 o’clock usually and it could started at seven. So you’ve been listening to a bunch of people you’ve never heard of. But I need a chair to sit down in.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 21:14
Yeah, I mean, it depends on where I am.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 21:19
Family stoned. And Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr. was singing together and they’re all pretty much gone. So you know, you can you can tell that was a while ago. Oh, man. That’s those are kind of iconic stuff. So it’s kind of cool.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 21:43
Yeah, for sure. Are you so Loren? Are you a are you a stander or a sitter at the concert

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 21:49
I’m a stander

Chris Hoyt, CXR 21:51
The whole time?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 21:52
Yeah. It’s like you’re at Madison Square Garden. Then I’ll sit there but like this last show. I didn’t sit once.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 22:00
Oh man. Kenny Chesney. You didn’t sit down for any of it?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 22:03
No.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 22:04
Did you have a chair was a chair. Oh, man. Well,

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 22:09
we’re on the end of the row, which I got major points for because I’d booked these tickets three years ago. And it was postponed so I couldn’t even remember where seats, what seats I picked. And so when as close as you could get with a chair, I didn’t use the chair.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 22:26
I liked the chair as an out though. You’ve got a you’ve got a clear. Yeah. If I get a little I can sit down. I get we saw Matt Cairney a few months ago at City Limits downtown and that was fantastic. And we sat on that second second second up if you’re familiar with it, so you got great chairs. Great view. There’s not a bad place in the house. Wonderful concert. But I enjoyed sitting the whole time. I just I might be. I might be a curmudgeon. Maybe for concerts, I love them. But I need a chair.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 22:59
That’s all right. That’s your vibe.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 23:01
My vibe is cheer vibe.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 23:04
Oh, you’re sitting and enjoying the show. There’s nothing wrong with that.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 23:09
That’s true. I’m not gonna get off my lawn though. So which one do you have coming up? I know you’re you don’t want to jinx yourself for the boss. But is there? Is there something else you got booked?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 23:21
Um, well, we actually in again, this is going back three years. We had booked tickets to see Kenny, because he had just announced his tour. So we got tickets for Nashville. And then we got tickets for giant stadium. So we’re gonna see him again in August. Wow. I don’t think there’s anything in between now and then. But I’d love to see Chris Stapleton again. Like a lot of different music, but he’s pretty great.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 23:53
Stapleton I would really like to say I find him brilliant. And I do enjoy his music. Yeah,

Chris Hoyt, CXR 24:01
yeah. Who just announced they were doing a Garth Brooks is doing a big tour. And he’s going to finish in a stadium or something. He’s wrapping up.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 24:13
I saw Garth Brooks, when he quit when he when he decided to take time off. And he made a deal with Wynn to come to Las Vegas once a month and do a small venue. And they had this extraordinary approach where you had to if you got tickets, you had to go and prove who you were and get get something on your on your arm that was locked in. So that when you actually showed up, it matched the ticket. It was really like

Chris Hoyt, CXR 24:58
you got chipped

Gerry Crispin, CXR 24:59
Yeah there’s only like 250 people in the room.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 25:03
Do they inject something into Gerry?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 25:06
No. It was, you know, was one of those things you could pull off your damn your damn arm kind of thing? Is it? Is it

Chris Hoyt, CXR 25:17
me or is Garth Brooks like kind of intense like about who can see the public hears music and watch his concert like he tries to stay in really small venues, he can’t find his stuff on Spotify.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 25:29
I will tell you he was he had kind of given it up. And he came out. He just brought his guitar. And he brought a chair and he’s out on the stage. And he just started talking about the things that impressed him the things that inspire him to sing a song. And so he would, he would refer to some old Waylon Jennings or somebody. And he’d say, you know, when Waylon did this, here’s how that I was inspired to write this. And so he would play a few, a few lines from what Waylon Jennings did. And then he he played, you know, a, you know, a riff with with one of the things that he did, and he did this for almost two and a half hours. And it was like a very intimate kind of piece of who he was and how he thought about his music. And why he did the things he did. I thought that was, we were all just totally enthralled. And that that was that was probably one of the best conference I’ve concerts I’ve ever been to, but obviously a very intimate one and very low key, and I was definitely in the seat. Very cool. We’re thinking of a couple dinners in Manhattan, and maybe one in New Jersey. When I can I have a dinner at Molos in Weehawken. Which, which is really right across from the, you know, the center of Manhattan? Yeah. view of Manhattan. That’s fabulous. Oh, that’s, yeah, I’ll keep you I’ll at least keep you in the loop on those.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 27:20
Please do.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 27:24
Because we’re trying to have more dinners in a variety of cities, and bring some of the people that we know there’s a number of women vendors who live in and around New York. So, Kathryn Minshew who does the Muse Frida Polli, who has pi metrics? Trying to think of the person who has hired score, she’s up in Westchester, I think okay. them are there and Maury Maury handguns, Sparc, she’s, she’s in New York as well. These are all interesting. People who have built startups in our space, struggle a little bit because they were dealing with, you know, how do I how do I, as a woman, do a startup, when I’m competing with all these guys who are trying to, you know, take all the money kind of thing. So it’s fast, their stories are fascinating. And some of your products increasingly are evolving, I think into really valuable tools. That, you know, I mean, over time, you’ve got to figure out what kind of arrows should I have in my quiver, that that helps my recruiters do what they have to do. I don’t think there’s any one silver bullet, I think you’re constantly saying, how does this all fit together? How do I how do I maximize how they integrate with one another? Yep. To create the efficiencies and productivity that we need to have, and then the uniqueness of who you have to hire, I mean, who you’re going after what you’re doing. I find it fascinating and still fascinating. And so, Chris, and I have spent more time engaging some of these characters who are emerging, particularly the ones who really care about our profession, and our industry. We purposely don’t don’t get involved in representing them. Which some people do out there, but we’re no that you pay us. So that’s enough, we’ll get we’ll get but I don’t want to get involved in even though I liked a number of these characters, I don’t want to be on their boards. Yeah, I think it creates a conflict of interest.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 30:17
Yeah, well, there’s so much to leverage and what I found in, you know, working across a couple different companies over these last however many years, five or six years, it’s, it’s really the stage of growth that the recruiting team within that particular company is in and what they need at that moment in time. I think that’s, like 80% of it. Yes, from what I’ve seen, some are way far ahead with tools. And, yeah,

Gerry Crispin, CXR 30:59
You need to establish the baseline of where you are. And I think that you’re in the process of doing that by talking to the clients and, and the recruiters and whatever. And out of that, you’ll, you’ll certainly create your own point of view relative to it. And I have, you know, one of the things that I think, you know, about that you we can offer to you is there, you’re not the only one who is starting off dealing with this. So Danielle Monahan is in the early stages of moving to Google, cool, doing the same exhibit you’re doing, Melissa, at Ford is doing the same damn thing, you know, and there’s four or five of you, who are members who, who literally have moved in the last three months, four months. Yep. And, and are establishing those kinds of things and picking each other’s brains, just as it as, as the time evolves, when you say, you know, I got enough information I want to share, I want to, you know, have a quiet conversation that’s off the record, with a couple of people. I know they will step up and and give you that time.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 32:23
Right now. It’s for me personally understanding the foundation and where we are, and I think coming in new, you have to meet the organization, where it is today, and step into it, and learn from the team and leverage the team that’s been there. And then he can start to build even further and see what makes sense and when, but I think that’s the fun of it. What’s right now, what’s later, what are we working towards? Where do we want to get to?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 32:55
I think when you can look at that as an adventure, you’re right, on the right track? Because nobody’s got the full answer, I do believe that one of the missing pieces to what we do is, is converting or curating the kind of content and data that we’re developing, that would be advantageous to how a candidate makes a decision.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 33:24
When you think about feedback that’s given to a candidate, I think about what you know what it is, or what is it that wasn’t right for them in this role at this company right now. And there, there are, them is the person. And then it’s the experience that they bring. And we along with hiring managers really need to understand if they’re good gonna step into that particular job and thrive. Right? And if they’re not, then they’re not the answer. But to be able to provide someone with feedback that helps them sometimes it’s not about what they can, they can do. It’s about finding that right spot for them that really makes them think up. And for recruiters to have a real network of people that they’re in touch with for years and years and years. It’s, they’re always there. And then as you have these jobs that open up, you’re thinking about them, and then you know when it’s right, and those are the best finds. I see my job as a recruiter to also be thinking about, you know, where, where else people could fit. And if I’ve got a network of peers to do what I do, how are we helping them? Because look, you’re going to be on a call anyway. Why not? make it worthwhile for everybody. And there’s nothing worse, you know, for a candidate than to hear a recruiter checking through the box, like get energized, get engaged, you know, learn about them. And then if you don’t have something, who does in your network, the talent market is so tight right now I think we can, we can help people make this process a bit less painful.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 35:27
So I think we’re at a point where we are getting our act together from an employer point of view, and, and seriously beginning to try to understand how the experience of the candidate themselves, I think one of my fantasies, Loren, is, I would love someday that we could randomly survey 100 job seekers, and about about the recruiting processes that they’re going through, and have them say, you know, for the most part, it’s been fair, it’s been helpful. I’ve enjoyed, I’ve enjoyed this adventure, this, this experience of trying to find a new job, it’s, it is frustrating on occasion, because I don’t win all the jobs. But the people that I’ve been talking to, regardless of whether I get the job or not, have been helpful, and supportive of, you know, my goals. And if we, if we ever get to that point, then I think we can be pretty proud of our profession and industry. We’re not there yet. And I don’t know if we’re gonna get there by the time I’m gone. But I have to say, it’s a it’s a noble goal. And whether we do it in individually as part of our work in in in a given employer. But I also think we have a responsibility to think more broadly from our employer to what we can do as an industry together. Yeah. And so one of the things that Chris and I are trying to work on is, how do we build the collective voice of our industry to influence some of the practices so that we we kind of raise the bar a little bit?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 37:27
Yeah,

Gerry Crispin, CXR 37:28
It’s worthwhile.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 37:30
It’s not boring, that’s for sure.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 37:33
No, no, it has not been.

Well, Loren, I mean, it’s really good to see you. So I’m super excited to see you in person. Are you? Are you going to make it in October to our live leadership meeting?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 37:46
Where is it?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 37:47
It is in Chicago?

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 37:49
Okay. It’s possible.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 37:52
Okay. All right.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 37:53
I, I think you both are aware we endeavor will be signing up as soon as I complete that form, is one of the newest members. So we are eager and excited to do so. And then once I’ve done that, I can see the locations of the meetings.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 38:15
October will be a little bit we’re doing something a little bit different for the leader. So it’s going to be kind of fun. Little a little bit more.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 38:23
What is it Chris? Little bit

Chris Hoyt, CXR 38:25
Wellness meets meeting. So I don’t want to give too much away. But

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 38:32
Yoga, where is it? Who is hosting.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 38:35
Sure maybe to do yoga. Nobody says we’re doing it at a retreat. So we find different, little different, we thought we’d shake things up.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 38:50
That’s an excellent teaser, so I’ll be looking into that for sure. But he had me at leadership meeting.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 38:57
Yeah. I do think we’re gonna have a good turnout for that. A lot of really interesting characters who are you know, running running ta who by and large just wants to have a an engagement with peers? You know, about where it’s been. It’s been a two year hiatus kind of thing for most. Almost three. It’ll be an interesting conversation for sure.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 39:28
Well, I think it’s worth calling out. So we’re doing so obviously Gerry will be here in Austin next week. So we’re gonna do we’re gonna do a little dinner. We send it out. We actually have people driving hours to come to the dinner, which is fac. They’re just they are that I think people are just that hungry. No pun intended, but to sit down with your friends and colleagues and, and just talk. And I just think that’s incredible. There’s no way three or four years ago I would have driven us to go to a dinner and turn around No, but I mean,

Gerry Crispin, CXR 40:02
well, it depends, I guess. And we’ve talked about doing that. And I mentioned it with Loren that we were thinking about, at some point, New York. And in addition to the, the members that we have in New York, we also have a number of talent solutions, community folks, most of whom are women, who are heading up really interesting technology organizations there. And so it could be a really interesting evening of conversation for sure.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 40:42
Oh, yeah, we did. I will never forget, we did a dinner in New York, where we had five. Yep, it was five women, CEOs, founders at the table, and it’s the first time I’ve ever thought, Oh, my God, I wish I just had like a YouTube camera crew here because of the conversation was so amazing.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 41:02
To just, this is what Gerry was talking about. Is that the same dinner? Am I doing a repeat?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 41:06
Sorry? No, no,

Gerry Crispin, CXR 41:08
well, well, no, we did it. We did it years ago, about five years ago, this dinner with women who were HR tech founders, not only were blown away, because of the issues, they shared, they were sharing with each other as if the two white guys were not, you know, there, and it was an education for me on some of the issues that they faced into and had to solve, that I would never have imagined. And I was I was just blown away by it. And, and I’m thinking, you know, wow, and that’s, that’s five years ago, and we’re thinking, you know, how do you? How do you become more of an ally? For people who, who have great ideas, fully committed to doing good things, but fundamentally have challenges that are just stupid, you know, and some of the challenges are just not challenges we should have? And how do you help them overcome those? So it’s kind of a fascinating issue. And we’re, it’s still a struggle, there is a strong, I think, hunger to move faster than we have considered in the past. I think there’s an awful lot of effort now to do that. And I do think that companies that do it should be highlighted much more than in the past, and the companies that don’t, should be outed much more than in the past. So that fundamentally, we can, you know, kind of level load a little bit.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 42:51
If it takes that long to get to one place. Shouldn’t there be some sort of accelerator?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 42:56
What can we join that could be more of an accelerator? What can we do individually? That can be more of an accelerant? I think that’s that’s a good way to look at. Chris, I want to tell you that you can’t see anything I’m on audio only.

You’re up What do you mean you’re on audio? Oh, you are good. I can see. You can see me.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 43:20
Okay, what it is?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 43:21
I can you see that? It says Santa? Yeah, so So I found some coins. I found some coins on the web that I’ve that I’ll bring one of them down to you next week. But I know we’re getting some coins ready for Burning Man. And I just wanted to tell you that I found a couple of coins that that are Santa’s coins to give away.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 43:53
Oh, no sexy Santa.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 43:55
Yeah. All right. Could be dangerous.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 44:00
I’m looking forward to it. Do Do I have to call you Santa Claus when we’re at the burn?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 44:06
No. That’s okay. You call me whatever you want.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 44:08
Do you need like a codename at Burning Man?

Gerry Crispin, CXR 44:11
Is that what’s my code name is Santa.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 44:15
And what’s Chris’s?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 44:16
I don’t have a Playa name.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 44:18
I don’t have a game of apply name. But I am going to one of our members actually. Michael Kunis Stowe is actually me a robe that will reflect a more exotic kind of Santa. And then I have I have glasses to go along with it.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 44:42
Chris if only you could see

Chris Hoyt, CXR 44:44
I can now see Gerry again. Oh, Gerry, I haven’t told you this yet. So this is a new release. We will be conducting podcast interviews at the burn on the topic

Gerry Crispin, CXR 45:03
on the unity. How how in fact, can we do that from a technical point of view if in fact, there’s no internet connection?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 45:14
That’s a lot of facts in that question. And I’m just going to tell you, I’ve got it covered, Says the guy whose internet isn’t working today.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 45:20
I assume these won’t be live they will be shot and edited later. Because I’m sure they will need editing am I wrong.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 45:34
They definitely will need at

Chris Hoyt, CXR 45:36
A couple sensor. You remember the teams

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 45:39
Unless you have a five second delay, you know?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 45:43
Yeah, well, we’ll just need those blocks to show up. Cover things.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 45:51
I think I can speak for everyone. When I say we look forward to seeing these podcasts numbers are going to jump.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 45:58
I’m I am convinced that that Burning Man offers an insight into how community develops in a way that that employers should be learning from.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 46:10
I would agree with that. That’s why we go

Gerry Crispin, CXR 46:12
We just have to figure out how to say that in a way that is understandable and usable. And that would be

Chris Hoyt, CXR 46:26
Well, because I am on the last class of of my wine.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 46:30
Already?

Chris Hoyt, CXR 46:31
Oh, I want to I’m a fast drinker.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 46:34
It’s those large pours.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 46:36
Feels judgy.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 46:39
No judgment here.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 46:40
Loren, I want to I want to thank you for joining us. It is fun to connect with you. And it’s lovely to see you and I hope that you make it to Chicago. Whether or not you do the the Yoga with us or not. I think it’s going to be a lot of fun.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 46:53
I like yoga.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 46:54
I love yoga. Big fan. And my wounded dog is probably better than any you’ve seen anywhere. It’d be amazing.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 47:05
Well, I will participate in a way that I can. Whatever that is.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 47:12
That’s fair.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 47:16
Well, it is good to see you. I do appreciate you joining it’s great.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 47:21
Good to be back.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 47:22
Yeah, Welcome home.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 47:24
Thank you.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 47:24
Welcome home.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 47:26
Good stuff. Have a wonderful weekend. Share a little bit of that wine, that hopefully there’s a little left with your significant other.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 47:33
I will

Chris Hoyt, CXR 47:34
Or don’t and tell him the call went longer and finish it.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 47:39
Thank you he has low expectations.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 47:42
I doubt it. I highly doubt it.

Loren Bunche, Endeavor 47:46
All right. Thank you both. Bye.

Chris Hoyt, CXR 47:50
Bye.

Gerry Crispin, CXR 47:50
Bye.

Announcer 47:51
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